tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488714185161131282.post5453580029643163564..comments2023-03-25T22:34:20.873-07:00Comments on World History And Anthropology: 20 Proofs: Greeks African DNAHernandayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11766776991147601403noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488714185161131282.post-81875130893700076612014-02-23T01:20:29.871-08:002014-02-23T01:20:29.871-08:00“Now, how do you square the fact that only ~50% of...“Now, how do you square the fact that only ~50% of the modern greek male line is of black ancestry, yet claim that > 75% of greece's population was lost to the ottoman period, and prior to that germanics, slavics, etc were "occupying" greece, against which greece had to defend and hence bleeding yet more of its miniscule fraction of the original black greek male clade. “<br />There is no contradiction there it is a perfectly logical statement on my part.<br /><br /><br />“Under such circumstances there is no possibility for a ~50% blk cladistic survival. so between the 2000 year marriage to foreign women and total attrition and the assumed high casualty rates associated with resistance to occupiers, and over a 2000 years span, with an additional event of >75% population loss in the ottoman period, then how exactly do we encounter what we find in the african HLA alleles and 50% Y-Chromosomes of african lineage that we find?”<br />I already gave you the math. If you have 100 greeks, 80 with African dna then invasion by turkey and slavery and massacre of 75 people. Why would one expect only the ones with African dna to die? If the attacks were evenly distributed or so you’d get 50% black dna in a modern population. There is nothing illogical about that, it would just be luck at that point of what the dna of the remaining 25 greeks will be. In this case it seemed to be 50% in the south and 35% or so nation wide. So if 12.5 had black ancestry it still works out<br /><br />“IF you can tackle that demographical and mathematical challenges, and square those figures genetically so that it can actually be possible , I will be ready to answer your next in the list,”<br />Hernandayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11766776991147601403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488714185161131282.post-5209919420498643012014-02-22T22:34:19.131-08:002014-02-22T22:34:19.131-08:00>>The fact that the male lineage particularl...>>The fact that the male lineage particularly in the relevent parts of greece is around 50% African then when you factor in the nearly 2000 years of occupation from foreign forces mostly non-blacks (germanic invasions, slavic expansions, romans, balto-slavic expansion and invasion, and ottoman turks and hunns and so on). It becomes clear this would naturally dilute the gene pool or autosomal dna.<<<br /><br />Ok, lets go piece by piece and see where we go. Lets suppose that it has really happened the way you allege. ~50% black dna currently + 2000 years of intermarriage, plus you must control for countless of the male line killed in warfare and attrition.<br /><br />But then you add:<br /><br />>>Greece lost more than 75% of its population under ottoman turk slavery.<<<br /><br />Now, how do you square the fact that only ~50% of the modern greek male line is of black ancestry, yet claim that > 75% of greece's population was lost to the ottoman period, and prior to that germanics, slavics, etc were "occupying" greece, against which greece had to defend and hence bleeding yet more of its miniscule fraction of the original black greek male clade. Under such circumstances there is no possibility for a ~50% blk cladistic survival. so between the 2000 year marriage to foreign women and total attrition and the assumed high casualty rates associated with resistance to occupiers, and over a 2000 years span, with an additional event of >75% population loss in the ottoman period, then how exactly do we encounter what we find in the african HLA alleles and 50% Y-Chromosomes of african lineage that we find?<br /><br />IF you can tackle that demographical and mathematical challenges, and square those figures genetically so that it can actually be possible , I will be ready to answer your next in the list,<br /><br />Cheers!D.I.Xianshanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05992509078717877264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488714185161131282.post-35193909956643282412014-02-22T22:31:26.587-08:002014-02-22T22:31:26.587-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.D.I.Xianshanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05992509078717877264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3488714185161131282.post-43018896903525867262014-02-22T15:06:12.802-08:002014-02-22T15:06:12.802-08:00I think you are putting far too much emphasis on a...I think you are putting far too much emphasis on allosomes and certain antigenic allele frequencies. Why do I say this? because the > 99.9 of an individual's or a population's genetic ancestry is phylogenic autosomes. I information you present is valid, such as the greeks clustering with east africans on antigenic allele frequencies, however that is far from the entire story from a genetic perspective. <br /><br />So, since autosomally the Greeks and Cretans dont even have 5% african heritage, then the allosome:autosome discrepancy is a function of what event or process(es)? I ask simply because you have not touched on the subject, yet you must if you want to present a convincing and clear-cut case with respect to greek origins.<br /><br />Cheers!<br />D.I.XianshanD.I.Xianshanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05992509078717877264noreply@blogger.com